Comments on: The devil is in the details: a review of Backpack http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/design/the-devil-is-in-the-details-a-review-of-backpack/ my god, it's full of stars Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:07:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Bos89.nl » Journey to a new design http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/design/the-devil-is-in-the-details-a-review-of-backpack/#comment-2031 Bos89.nl » Journey to a new design Tue, 04 Jul 2006 21:47:13 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/design/the-devil-is-in-the-details-a-review-of-backpack/#comment-2031 <p>[...] Curiously this theme is not using any of that, no tabs, no drop-down menus, no ajax. Not to say it won’t be there in the future -especially the ajax search is very nice- but for now I’ll do without. I really got inspired by Kyle Neath and his ‘the devil is in the details‘ article on backpack. He calls his designs ‘obsessively symmetric and proportional’ and I like that a lot. I also liked overlapping forms with transparency for some time already but that’s not really supported until CSS3 becomes common. Now I found how to do it with background images. [...]</p> [...] Curiously this theme is not using any of that, no tabs, no drop-down menus, no ajax. Not to say it won’t be there in the future -especially the ajax search is very nice- but for now I’ll do without. I really got inspired by Kyle Neath and his ‘the devil is in the details‘ article on backpack. He calls his designs ‘obsessively symmetric and proportional’ and I like that a lot. I also liked overlapping forms with transparency for some time already but that’s not really supported until CSS3 becomes common. Now I found how to do it with background images. [...]

]]> By: Can you justify design decisions? » Project Syndicate http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/design/the-devil-is-in-the-details-a-review-of-backpack/#comment-1962 Can you justify design decisions? » Project Syndicate Sun, 02 Jul 2006 06:28:16 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/design/the-devil-is-in-the-details-a-review-of-backpack/#comment-1962 <p>[...] The Devil is in the Details [...]</p> [...] The Devil is in the Details [...]

]]> By: Gregg http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/design/the-devil-is-in-the-details-a-review-of-backpack/#comment-747 Gregg Mon, 03 Apr 2006 05:29:23 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/design/the-devil-is-in-the-details-a-review-of-backpack/#comment-747 <p>And here I expected their answer to be: <a href="http://www.37signals.com/svn/archives2/it_just_doesnt_matter.php" title="No really, it doesn't." rel="nofollow">It just doesn't matter</a></p> And here I expected their answer to be: It just doesn’t matter

]]> By: Dan http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/design/the-devil-is-in-the-details-a-review-of-backpack/#comment-670 Dan Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:09:32 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/design/the-devil-is-in-the-details-a-review-of-backpack/#comment-670 <p>I hear you Kyle - I dont agree that the 37signals are "top-notch" in the sence of visual experience... They are top-notch in user experience - dont get me wrong, I too love their so simple approach to almost every situation possible... </p> <p>Im not quite sure how they pride themselfes, I have though noted that they have been open about their choice of incossistency when made sence...</p> <p>Backpack is not an application for me, something about it that really annoys me - but cannot quite put my finger on it... Basecamp on the other hand - I love that... </p> <p>Well Im not a graphical designer - Im just a programmer, loving their Rails ;) ...</p> <p>You wrote: "why not take it that extra few inches to perfection?" It could be a matter of priorities... To quote the signals: "Release half a product not a half arsed product"...</p> I hear you Kyle - I dont agree that the 37signals are “top-notch” in the sence of visual experience… They are top-notch in user experience - dont get me wrong, I too love their so simple approach to almost every situation possible…

Im not quite sure how they pride themselfes, I have though noted that they have been open about their choice of incossistency when made sence…

Backpack is not an application for me, something about it that really annoys me - but cannot quite put my finger on it… Basecamp on the other hand - I love that…

Well Im not a graphical designer - Im just a programmer, loving their Rails ;) …

You wrote: “why not take it that extra few inches to perfection?”
It could be a matter of priorities… To quote the signals: “Release half a product not a half arsed product”…

]]> By: Neil D'Souza http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/design/the-devil-is-in-the-details-a-review-of-backpack/#comment-668 Neil D'Souza Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:03:14 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/design/the-devil-is-in-the-details-a-review-of-backpack/#comment-668 <p><b>Bravo. </b></p> <p>Detail is of utmost importance. Web designers nowadays don't conform to the rules used in print. Newspapers/Magazines are so fixed with no play at all. They look good. Why can't websites be the same? </p> <p>With CSS it is possible, only no one wants to get too detailed into it.</p> <p>I myself am too lazy to see that CSS works. Still trying. ;-)</p> Bravo.

Detail is of utmost importance. Web designers nowadays don’t conform to the rules used in print. Newspapers/Magazines are so fixed with no play at all. They look good. Why can’t websites be the same?

With CSS it is possible, only no one wants to get too detailed into it.

I myself am too lazy to see that CSS works. Still trying. ;-)

]]> By: Kyle http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/design/the-devil-is-in-the-details-a-review-of-backpack/#comment-667 Kyle Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:45:55 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/design/the-devil-is-in-the-details-a-review-of-backpack/#comment-667 <p>Well, before we all burn in the seventh ring of grammar hell, perhaps I <em>ought</em> (or maybe I <em>might</em>) to change that sentence :) It's come to my attention recently that statments like "here's those beers you asked for" are very California native. The English language is a cruel beast sometimes.</p> Well, before we all burn in the seventh ring of grammar hell, perhaps I ought (or maybe I might) to change that sentence :) It’s come to my attention recently that statments like “here’s those beers you asked for” are very California native. The English language is a cruel beast sometimes.

]]> By: rabsteen http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/design/the-devil-is-in-the-details-a-review-of-backpack/#comment-666 rabsteen Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:28:38 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/design/the-devil-is-in-the-details-a-review-of-backpack/#comment-666 <p>since we're on the subject of grammar, if it is <strong>obvious</strong> that Kyle is a stickler for details, why did you use <em>'might'</em> which implies probability rather than <em>'ought'</em> which corresponds with your established fact?</p> since we’re on the subject of grammar, if it is obvious that Kyle is a stickler for details, why did you use ‘might’ which implies probability rather than ‘ought’ which corresponds with your established fact?

]]> By: Matt @ 37signals http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/design/the-devil-is-in-the-details-a-review-of-backpack/#comment-663 Matt @ 37signals Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:31:52 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/design/the-devil-is-in-the-details-a-review-of-backpack/#comment-663 <p>Hey Kyle. We appreciate the feedback. There's always room for improvement. We're constantly working to improve Backpack (and our other products) and we'll keep your comments in mind.</p> <p>And since you're obviously a stickler for details, I thought you might want to know there's a grammatical error in the links area above your comments bar: You want "here are some links" as opposed to "here's some links." ; )</p> Hey Kyle. We appreciate the feedback. There’s always room for improvement. We’re constantly working to improve Backpack (and our other products) and we’ll keep your comments in mind.

And since you’re obviously a stickler for details, I thought you might want to know there’s a grammatical error in the links area above your comments bar: You want “here are some links” as opposed to “here’s some links.” ; )

]]> By: Kyle http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/design/the-devil-is-in-the-details-a-review-of-backpack/#comment-654 Kyle Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:03:27 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/design/the-devil-is-in-the-details-a-review-of-backpack/#comment-654 <p><strong>Dan:</strong> Actually Jason prides himself in being an "aesthetic" designer as well (as well he should). In general, the designs coming from 37s are top-notch, hence the reason I picked on them in the first place. The details that I point out are not saying the design of backpack is horrid, but rather it's so close to being perfect: why not take it that extra few inches to perfection?</p> <p><strong>Mike:</strong></p> <blockquote>I just shot this over to Jason so we?ll see what he thinks ;)</blockquote> <p>No worries, I've seen a few referrrers from 37s.campfirenow.com... hmm, I wonder what that could be? :)</p> Dan: Actually Jason prides himself in being an “aesthetic” designer as well (as well he should). In general, the designs coming from 37s are top-notch, hence the reason I picked on them in the first place. The details that I point out are not saying the design of backpack is horrid, but rather it’s so close to being perfect: why not take it that extra few inches to perfection?

Mike:

I just shot this over to Jason so we?ll see what he thinks ;)

No worries, I’ve seen a few referrrers from 37s.campfirenow.com… hmm, I wonder what that could be? :)

]]> By: Todd http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/design/the-devil-is-in-the-details-a-review-of-backpack/#comment-653 Todd Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:02:51 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/design/the-devil-is-in-the-details-a-review-of-backpack/#comment-653 <p>Aesthetics are a part of the user experience. Check out Don Norman's research on emotional design to learn a bit more. My personal feeling is that there is a belief out there that aesthetics and efficiency or quality user experience are incompatible. That's just being lazy, or having a blind eye period.</p> Aesthetics are a part of the user experience. Check out Don Norman’s research on emotional design to learn a bit more. My personal feeling is that there is a belief out there that aesthetics and efficiency or quality user experience are incompatible. That’s just being lazy, or having a blind eye period.

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