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		<title>By: ntschutta.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Screen Resolution</title>
		<link>http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/ia-usability/jumping-ship/#comment-2547</link>
		<dc:creator>ntschutta.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Screen Resolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] A while back, I commented on Kyle Neath&#8217;s piece regarding screen resolution. Of course both of our posts went a bit beyond that, but it appears that we now have an answer from none less than Jakob Nielsen. In his latest Alertbox, Screen Resolution and Page Layout, Jakob tells us we are free to bump it up to 1024&#215;768. So there you go - don&#8217;t say you never learned anything here! [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A while back, I commented on Kyle Neath&#8217;s piece regarding screen resolution. Of course both of our posts went a bit beyond that, but it appears that we now have an answer from none less than Jakob Nielsen. In his latest Alertbox, Screen Resolution and Page Layout, Jakob tells us we are free to bump it up to 1024&#215;768. So there you go - don&#8217;t say you never learned anything here! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/ia-usability/jumping-ship/#comment-2196</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;More for the web-app side of things&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Something you may not have thought about is thinking you know what your site/web-app will be used for.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Take Microsoft Excel as an example. A simple spreadsheet that is much more now - people are using it well beyond the scope of a spreadsheet and have made programs/applications/helpers that sit over the top of it - something never foreseen for the use of a humble replacement of those paper grids that were the torment of accountants everywhere.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Likewise with the web - you may think you know what people are going to use your app in one way (or site for that matter) but along comes something new + different. Without flexibility (and that's the key - think ifelse's site as an example) adaptation is difficult.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Something you may not have thought about is thinking you know what your site/web-app will be used for.</p>
<p>Take Microsoft Excel as an example. A simple spreadsheet that is much more now - people are using it well beyond the scope of a spreadsheet and have made programs/applications/helpers that sit over the top of it - something never foreseen for the use of a humble replacement of those paper grids that were the torment of accountants everywhere.</p>
<p>Likewise with the web - you may think you know what people are going to use your app in one way (or site for that matter) but along comes something new + different. Without flexibility (and that&#8217;s the key - think ifelse&#8217;s site as an example) adaptation is difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: David Leal</title>
		<link>http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/ia-usability/jumping-ship/#comment-2116</link>
		<dc:creator>David Leal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ron, I suspect that the main concern here is not about the needs of the users--it is about the needs of the designers. I honestly can't see how 1024x768 has so much more advantages than 800x600 for most web sites. In fact, at its worst it will only give me more information that I must digest at the same time. I also believe that the trend will be towards resolutions lower than 1024x768, as the number of people browsing through mobile phones and tablets increases.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yes, there are probably places where this makes sense, and that is why I say it is best to know your audience, but to be honest, I don't see the aiming at 1024x768 to be "pushing the limits". As someone knowing this feeling very well (because I'm often guilty of it) I believe this is more a case of designers wanting shinier toys.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, I suspect that the main concern here is not about the needs of the users&#8211;it is about the needs of the designers. I honestly can&#8217;t see how 1024&#215;768 has so much more advantages than 800&#215;600 for most web sites. In fact, at its worst it will only give me more information that I must digest at the same time. I also believe that the trend will be towards resolutions lower than 1024&#215;768, as the number of people browsing through mobile phones and tablets increases.</p>
<p>Yes, there are probably places where this makes sense, and that is why I say it is best to know your audience, but to be honest, I don&#8217;t see the aiming at 1024&#215;768 to be &#8220;pushing the limits&#8221;. As someone knowing this feeling very well (because I&#8217;m often guilty of it) I believe this is more a case of designers wanting shinier toys.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Domingue</title>
		<link>http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/ia-usability/jumping-ship/#comment-2103</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Domingue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Knowing your audience is correct but what about your potential audience. I'm sure I could easily develop for IE users at 800X600 forever and do it for every client with the excuse 90% of people on the web use IE.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Trying to please everyone is a sure way to please no one. I think you are right that you need to know your audience but I think people easily fall into a comfort zone. Lets just stay at 800 to be safe is something I constantly hear. I can use that excuse for almost every site on the web. I think taking to the chance to expand out of the norm may lead to some suprising results.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knowing your audience is correct but what about your potential audience. I&#8217;m sure I could easily develop for IE users at 800X600 forever and do it for every client with the excuse 90% of people on the web use IE.</p>
<p>Trying to please everyone is a sure way to please no one. I think you are right that you need to know your audience but I think people easily fall into a comfort zone. Lets just stay at 800 to be safe is something I constantly hear. I can use that excuse for almost every site on the web. I think taking to the chance to expand out of the norm may lead to some suprising results.</p>
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		<title>By: David Leal</title>
		<link>http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/ia-usability/jumping-ship/#comment-2102</link>
		<dc:creator>David Leal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don't understand why this must be seen in black and white. If the application is only targeted to desktop users, by all means--use whatever resolution you think they'll handle. But my &lt;a href="http://www.nokia.com/770" rel="nofollow"&gt;Nokia 770&lt;/a&gt; only has a resolution of 800x480. Most PDAs and phone browsers don't even get there. Besides, as James wrote, there are all those who browse with a smaller window, even when they have a resolution of 1024x760 or more.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, please, please know your audience first, and let's stop thinking about these kinds of absolutes, ok?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why this must be seen in black and white. If the application is only targeted to desktop users, by all means&#8211;use whatever resolution you think they&#8217;ll handle. But my <a href="http://www.nokia.com/770" rel="nofollow">Nokia 770</a> only has a resolution of 800&#215;480. Most PDAs and phone browsers don&#8217;t even get there. Besides, as James wrote, there are all those who browse with a smaller window, even when they have a resolution of 1024&#215;760 or more.</p>
<p>So, please, please know your audience first, and let&#8217;s stop thinking about these kinds of absolutes, ok?</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/ia-usability/jumping-ship/#comment-2099</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks Bob.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: J R Mortland III (Bob)</title>
		<link>http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/ia-usability/jumping-ship/#comment-2097</link>
		<dc:creator>J R Mortland III (Bob)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;WTF... Bob.warpspire.com sticks its neck out... I like necks&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF&#8230; Bob.warpspire.com sticks its neck out&#8230; I like necks</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Domingue</title>
		<link>http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/ia-usability/jumping-ship/#comment-2096</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Domingue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I totally agree Kyle. I'm currently building my next version of my site using your Hemingway template and I'm proud to use Mint. Simply put there is a comfort level with someone making a good design. I can trust your instincts and it makes my work as a designer that much easier.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think its also a reassurance to designers and a status symbol, the fact we wish to use your products. I don't feel like you have to please the lowest common denominator to be successful. It the fishing from the same hole mentality.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think Johnathan Ives mentioned in a recent interview that Apple was developing a hands-free phone at one time and test showed however that people really felt uncomfortable using it, and were probably even embarrased to be seen using it. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Then along came the iPod which everyone loves to be seen with, "Hey I'm cool and hip!" epitomizes what the iPod represents. We are comfortable and even proud to own one. We especially like to be seen using it. It says I love music and technology all at the same time.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ultiamately, I think many of us are more than willing to pay extra for clever design regadless if there is a more inexpensive option. To use a phrase from Schindler's List "Nice things cost money."&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree Kyle. I&#8217;m currently building my next version of my site using your Hemingway template and I&#8217;m proud to use Mint. Simply put there is a comfort level with someone making a good design. I can trust your instincts and it makes my work as a designer that much easier.</p>
<p>I think its also a reassurance to designers and a status symbol, the fact we wish to use your products. I don&#8217;t feel like you have to please the lowest common denominator to be successful. It the fishing from the same hole mentality.  </p>
<p>I think Johnathan Ives mentioned in a recent interview that Apple was developing a hands-free phone at one time and test showed however that people really felt uncomfortable using it, and were probably even embarrased to be seen using it. </p>
<p>Then along came the iPod which everyone loves to be seen with, &#8220;Hey I&#8217;m cool and hip!&#8221; epitomizes what the iPod represents. We are comfortable and even proud to own one. We especially like to be seen using it. It says I love music and technology all at the same time.</p>
<p>Ultiamately, I think many of us are more than willing to pay extra for clever design regadless if there is a more inexpensive option. To use a phrase from Schindler&#8217;s List &#8220;Nice things cost money.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: checksum.org blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Jumping Ship</title>
		<link>http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/ia-usability/jumping-ship/#comment-2093</link>
		<dc:creator>checksum.org blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Jumping Ship</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 05:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] This is a nice article on abandoning 800&#215;600 users while designing ui&#8217;s for the web. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is a nice article on abandoning 800&#215;600 users while designing ui&#8217;s for the web. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ntschutta.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Playing by the Rules</title>
		<link>http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/ia-usability/jumping-ship/#comment-2091</link>
		<dc:creator>ntschutta.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Playing by the Rules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] One of the hard and fast rules of web design has long been &#8220;thou shall develop for a screen resolution of 800&#215;600.&#8221; Of course with monitors getting larger and larger (heck, this aging PowerBook runs at 1280&#215;854) this maxim might be past it&#8217;s prime. So what&#8217;s a designer to do? Kyle Neath of Warpspire takes a look at this question in his post Jumping Ship. Basically, Kyle channels Kathy Sierra (check out her Safe is risky, risky is safe) and, well, Nathaniel Talbott&#8217;s keynote from RailsConf (check ScribeMedia for a link to his talk). While designing for the lowest common denominator can attract a large pool of customers, taking some risks opens you up to a batch of new ones. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] One of the hard and fast rules of web design has long been &#8220;thou shall develop for a screen resolution of 800&#215;600.&#8221; Of course with monitors getting larger and larger (heck, this aging PowerBook runs at 1280&#215;854) this maxim might be past it&#8217;s prime. So what&#8217;s a designer to do? Kyle Neath of Warpspire takes a look at this question in his post Jumping Ship. Basically, Kyle channels Kathy Sierra (check out her Safe is risky, risky is safe) and, well, Nathaniel Talbott&#8217;s keynote from RailsConf (check ScribeMedia for a link to his talk). While designing for the lowest common denominator can attract a large pool of customers, taking some risks opens you up to a batch of new ones. [...]</p>
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