2006 / March 24th/ 9/11 and Pearl Harbor: Do we even care anymore?
It’s come to my attention that the majority of America is so blinded by tax cuts that they refuse to even aknowledge the possibility that perhaps America might have done some wrong in it’s time. I was talking to my roomates and they actually believe that we didn’t know anything that could have prevented Pearl Harbor. This ensued an argument in which they thought that America had not provoked Japan at all prior to Pearl Harbor. They were beyond sure; they were absolutely positive that I was the crazy one making up History out of my “damned liberal” brain. This can only be the result of the History Channel’s Right-Wing views of America-always-does-good and generations of sugar-coated American History being taught in schools.
Normally I wouldn’t even mind… but this I thought, this is important. The story of Pearl Harbor is no longer conspiracy theories and lunatics writing letters from their basements. The story of Pearl Harbor has been sullied by the actions of our corrupt government looking for a reason to start the war. There is now hard evidence of what really did happen in the moments leading up to Pearl Harbor. Military documents, memos, intercepted transmissions, and much more that has been declassified and examined by experts. There is no questioning these facts anymore; to do so is simply a practice in ignorance.
Now, before I start: I must say that I am not necessarily attacking the motives behind starting a war with Japan, the right or wrong of it; I am attacking the deceit that our own Government played on its own people. Whether or not going to war with Japan was a step forward for America can be left to the what-ifs, I’m talking about the what-happened.
Points of clarity
1. The United States was in fact taking aggressive actions against Japan
Contrary to most people’s belief, we were by no means at peace with Japan before the attacks. We were attacking them politically and economically.
The Japanese had seized Manchuria in 1931, and had been fighting the Second Sino-Japanese War with China since 1937. During 1941 the long-standing tensions between the Japanese Empire and the United States resulting from these military adventures were rising. The United States and the United Kingdom reacted to Japanese military actions in China by imposing a scrap metal and oil embargo followed by the freezing of Japanese assets and the closing of the Panama Canal to Japanese shipping. (source)
2. Our forces were in Pearl Harbor on purpose
One of the most perplexing questions when looking at the numbers involved in Pearl Harbor is: why were there so many ships in Pearl Harbor, a location extremely susceptible to air and torpedo attack? Does not make sense to spread out our fleet throughout the Pacific, or move the fleet to a more secure location? Of course it does, but it must be noted that this was an intentional act to prompt Japan to strike. It’s like a bird’s nest full of eggs in an open field. From the McCollum memo written a year before Pearl Harbor (declassified later), McCollumnoutlines this strategy:
9. It is not believed that in the present state of political opinion the United States government is capable of declaring war against Japan without more ado; and it is barely possible that vigorous action on our part might lead the Japanese to modify their attitude. Therefore, the following course of action is suggested:
… F. Keep the main strength of the U.S. fleet now in the Pacific in the vicinity of the Hawaiian Islands. G … H. Completely embargo all U.S. trade with Japan, in collaboration with a similar embargo imposed by the British Empire.
10. If by these means Japan could be led to commit an overt act of war, so much the better. At all events we must be fully prepared to accept the threat of war.
If you are a person of logical nature, there is but one conclusion: our ships harbored in Pearl Harbor in order to lead Japan to commit an overt act of war.
How could you possibly argue?
I’m not here to present the full argument for why Pearl Harbor was a planned deceit to engage America into World War II - there’s plenty of books. on that subject already. My point is to simply show you that there is extremely compelling, physical evidence that this is so. In fact, I think the two points of clarity are enough to shut anyone up who thinks the US was completely in the dark about the attacks.
What of 9/11?
The same kinds of questions have been brought up regarding 9/11. Were terrorist attacks allowed to happen in order to give America reason to start a war against “terrorism?” It sure is something to think about.
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March 24th | #
Thanks for writing this. I’m struggling more and more with 9/11 as I learn of Charlie Sheen and his vocal distrust of the “official” story of 9/11. Wether Building 7, or Pentagon, or the engineering physics of Buildings 1 and 2, very little logic is presented in defense of the official story that the two towers fell each with the force of a plan striking the upper floors, or that a passenger plan did in fact strike the Pentagon at all.
Here some of the research that’s been done from video sources.
Thanks again for being honest.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3350164069515705274&q=911+demolition
March 24th | #
Kyle - I agree with this. I’ve often wondered what other countries teach in their schools regarding World War 2, Vietnam, etc.
Having graduated high school recently (2004) I can remember thinking “Why are we always right when we attack someone and everyone else is always wrong?” Schools aren’t teaching invasions as a grey area - it’s an “America and its allies are right, everyone else is wrong” type of attitude, even from the more liberal teachers I’ve had.
Good post.
March 25th | #
I couldn’t agree more with this. Whole thing was a big excuse. Busc monarchy has to be taken down!!!
March 25th | #
That’s one thing that bothers me about movie depictions of America’s enemies - they dehumanize the opposition. In Pearl Harbor, the Japanese are seen as heartless and opportunistic, and the Americans are portrayed as “Oh, gee - we got attacked, now we have to go get those Japs.” Being half-Japanese myself, and having a Japanese-American dad who was a pilot for the US Air Force, this is a little hurtful, to see all Japanese, and Asians for that matter, painted this way with such a broad-sweeping brush. Likewise, the current climate in America is that of “Pray for our troops,” but we often leave out “Pray for our enemies,” even though that too, is in the Bible. Hopefully the perceptions our generation will be a little less short-sited than those of our predecessors.
March 26th | #
In Europe most of this is ignored. We don’t join in the glorification of American history but we certainly do nothing to value it correctly. However, we Europeans are annoyed when Americans take credit for European actions in the wars (both of ‘em) in their films and literature. But then again, most people don’t notice–for example, most European teenagers don’t even know what the heck D-day was about.
I’m afraid that’s just human nature.
March 27th | #
1] An embargo is not an “attack”; it’s a consequence; sort of like a child being “grounded” for poor behavior. Nowhere is it written the US has to trade with any nation. Suggesting that such an embargo was grounds for. of justification of. Japan’s attack is ignorant.
2] Keeping US forces in the Pacific and waiting for Japan to make the first move was the only logical choice the US could have made. What would you have suggested? Should the US have attacked Japan first? Or, should the US have moved the majority of their forces to the Atlantic, in the process providing Japan with an unobstructed view of their backside?
The US obviously felt an attack was possible, but the day and hour was not known until it was far to late to react. Do you actually believe the US would have taken such a beating if a defense would have been possible? An attack, successful or not, would have been all the grounds the US needed to declare war.
Japan chose their own fate. They chose to attack and somehow the US is made out to be the bad guy… yet again.
March 27th | #
Very thought-provoking entry. Good read!
March 27th | #
Humans exist because of their self-preservation instinct (call it what you will). Our mindset has been sugarcoated by media and how we have fashioned our lifestyles. But in nature, most living things are in the business of self-preservation. Even the media is utilized by bosses/politicians and even editors in the name of self-preservation (read: money, greed, job, notoriety, et al). Now, I do not promote or provoke violence or sabotage in my personal life, and I do my best to not lie but to represent myself with honesty. But I will not defend a human’s decision to kill, right or wrong. For me that decision lies within that human. And we are faulty beings. Meat.
Pearl Harbor was a tragedy for Hawai’i, America, and even the US Forces living/working there.
?well, i was going to compare PH with other events worldwide throughout history, but, comparisons always leave an argument incomplete. I’m at a loss for words.
Thanks for the post.
April 13th | #
Are you kidding me? That is looney! You actually believe the Micheal Moore brainwash that Bush allowed 9/11 to happen to go to war against terrorists? How does this even logically make sense?
I used to think you were somewhat smart for making a neat and clean template. Dude you are a fucking kook weirdo!
Um, did it occur to you that we go to war to save millions of people from tyranny and death? Iraq, N.Vietnam, N. Korea, Japan, Germany, and most of all China and the U.S.S.R. are responsible for atrocities which all resulted in millions of deaths! What the hell do you NOT understand about that?
This is so insulting. My Grandfather, a Purple Heart and Bronze Star Veteran was wounded in battle on the U.S.S. Ross in the South Pacific.
You need to learn a bit of respect for those thousands who sacrificed themselves for your own ability to whine and moan like a little cunt!
The point is that we all hate war, but sometimes we have to do it. To turn a blind eye to such evil that exists otherwise, is no better than the evil itself.
We all should question our government policy, so as to keep things in fresh perspective, but come on dude. You are trying to paint a picture as America as some kind of evil country. We are far from perfect, yet, still set the world standard for freedom and you know it.
Where is your historical perspective, especially concerning Asia and Europe? What about the fact that European countries colonized and conquered every livable continent on Earth, over the centuries? And you are going to tell America anything about freedom, and so forth? What a fucking joke!
This is so absolutely ridiculous. Also to the person from Europe, um, do you realize that without the U.S. you would most likely be speaking Russian as a Soviet slave at this point? THAT is history. I’m not sure what books YOU’RE reading, but as a student of world history, from a wide variety of perspective, I can assure you that you are absolutely WRONG!
I laugh at you.
As far as Mike’s comment, he is absolutely correct. Japan chose it’s own fate. So did Iraq, under Saddam Hussein. If the U.N. were worth a thing, they would have lived up to their own rules and regulations that they themselves institutionalized a decade before the invasion.
I can see why YOU would be at a loss for words, because to further attempt to explain this theory, leaves you appearing as nothing more than a bumbling fool.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and this is mine. However, I choose to use FACTS to substatiate mine.
Were you in New York on 9/11? Do you know anyone who was murdered in this disgusting massacre? Well I DO! Fuck you, you son-of-a-bitch! You don’t deserve the freedom that a single brave hero of a soldier would sacrifice his or her life for.
Are you a communist? Just wondering, you fucking puke!
GO TO HELL!!!!!
April 13th | #
Yep, I’m clearly a communist, nazi, fag, whatever you want to call me. Thank you for that comment, I haven’t had a good laugh in a long time.
April 13th | #
I called you a puke, but you’re clearly a pussy
April 16th | #
I agree. I am Danish, and as such, I have grown up with America as a side-dish. I understand that America has accomplished great things with regards to freedom, and such, but earlier merrits do not cut it anymore.
@Brent, I truly am sorry for your losses. I do not sympathize with violence of any kind.
As an extend to that, neither do I sympathize with American warfare. I understanded the need to do something in Ex-Yugoslavia, but with UN disrecommending it, I cannot understand the action taken in Iraq.
Great post Kyle, nice to see that the entire nation is not infected with the nationalism I far too often see evidence of. Thank you.
April 17th | #
Hey Holst, let’s ram three planes into your buildings (two civilian) and see how you still feel about it. It is very easy for someone on the outside to deny that an enemy actually exists. Holding hands with the enemy accomplishes nothing. Just ask Bill Clinton. While he did do something about Milosovic, something which didn’t affect America at all, he did nothing about al-Qaeda, when they struck America during his administration. Clinton only got lucky that he didn’t have to face the catasrophe that Bush did from 9/11, because al-Qaeda’s first attempt to destroy the WTC in 1993, was a failure. Eight years later, when Clinton was no longer considered responsible for National Security, al-Qaeda struck again. However, they made a grave mistake with this administration, because they actually have the political balls to do something about it.
Mentally disposing of violence of any kind as you do, completely dismisses the fact that America does have an enemy, and that evil does in fact exist in the world. This is no different that the leftist stance upon the Soviets, during the Cold War. These people considered America to be just as guilty as the Soviets, meanwhile dismissing the fact that the Soviets killed at least 50 million in their pursuit of global domination. What about Maoist China? THAT is history. We did win the Cold War, thanks to the courage of great leaders like Ronald Reagan. I cannot compare Bush to Reagan, as that would be like comparing Michelob to Busch. However, Busch beer is also very tasty and smooth. See my point?
The ease in which many on the left dismiss the fact that America has real enemies, I find disturbing, especially since, when the rare occasion that they actually have real power to do anything about our enemies, they turn a blind eye.
Speaking of violence, have you ever considered that turning a blind eye to violence and tyranny is just as bad as the violence and tyranny itself? I feel that it is worse, because if we have the power to make a difference, yet ignore the problem, we are just as much of a problem to truth, freedom, and justice.
Why should we ever depend on a thing the U.N. says, since they have allowed millions of Africans to be slaughtered in the last three decades alone by maniacal warlords and terrorists? Are you also aware that they said the same thing as we about Iraq until the last minute before we invaded it? Are you also aware that Kofi Annan’s own son was involved in illegal oil for food activity? Can you add two and two? It is quite obvious that the corruption involved here is a major threat to the entire nation; that is if we are to rely on them. Also, does it not disturb you that heads of the Human Rights council were from Iran and Lybia? Are you going to say that these countries are going to tell us one thing about human rights?
If you ask me, the foundation of human rights starts, absolutely, with FREEDOM and Democracy. Who are we to deny anyone from this, especially if we have the power to make a difference?
It’s a damn good thing that people like myself have the courage and the strength to enable pacifists like yourself to exist in freedom. You expect freedom, yet are unwilling to allow others to have it. You feel entitled to freedom, yet refuse to thank and appreciate those who presented such a precious gift to you. I hope you feel ashamed of yourself, after having this enlightenment of perspective.
April 17th | #
Sorry for the double post. But I had to comment on this: I did not realize how YOUNG you are. This explains a LOT!
Holst, are you still 17? You’re not even old enough to vote! What perspective do you have outside of highschool or college, schoolboy?
You obviously have absolutely no historical perspective. So, to blog about issues in which you are hardly familiar, I find a bit silly. Since you are still wet behind the ears, I advise that perhaps you might listen to those who actually know a thing or two about the REAL world. University Professors, with hidden and subliminal agendas do not neccessarily count either. They are brainwash doctors.
I suggest tha you read as much as possible, without the tunnel vision in which you subscribe.
My previous language was merely to gain your attention and to express anger, but I can assure you that my intelligence exceeds yours, son. Just wanted to add that. I feel glad to know who and what you are.
Is this what the youth truly looks like? That is truly scary! Thank God, we don’t still have a draft in America, or else we would be doomed to loose ANY war, since folks like yourself refuse to fight for anything, besides murdering unborn children, burning flags, making heroes out of communists, smoking weed, and making giant asses of yourself. Like to protest? Good, keep doing it. See how far it gets you. Personally, I vote. This is something which actually accomplishes something. See you at the polls, or better yet at the victory party!
April 24th | #
Brent: the form says to impart your wisdom, not your ignorance.
I believe that it is left up to the individual to decide which is which.
?and it would seem that ranting about it only seperates you even further from the others. Are you more comfortable over there?
[sigh]
April 25th | #
@brent: you talk a lot about facts yet you fail to present any other than accusations with violent language. when presenting facts in an argument, to be taken seriously, you need to provide the sources. just saying “it is so or else…” and repeating it over and over, doesn’t make it a fact. but yet again, you must know this. being the highly intellectual, fact based person you are.
acting insulting, aggressive and attacking other peoples personal trades or age is bullet proof way to show how intellectual you are. grow up.
@kyle: thank you for this great article. with the current climate, posts like these are pound to attract certain kind of commentary.
May 4th | #
Logic is my proof. As far as history goes, I’m not sure which version you read, if any at all. Wikipedia is not a reliable source, btw, kiddies.
From what I said, Clinton did nothing about al-Qaeda, after they attacked the WTC in ‘93. I realize that you were a young child at the time, but I wasn’t; I remember.
You act as if Bush is the problem, and the Jihad against America would cease if not for Bush. However, this logic fails when looking at history. In 1993, the WTC was attacked by al-Qaeda, but its destruction was a failure. Clinton did not declare a war on terror. He refused to accept that America has enemies, except in the case of Kosovo –a country which deemed 0% of a threat to anyone but the people within. As bad as that was, it was not a threat –this is the logic that liberals themselves use against our current war. To their ignorance, however, Saddam was a threat. The fact that he gave families of suicide bombers $25,000 for blowing up innocent Jewish women and children in shopping malls and resteruants, ought to clue you in.
You are liberals who hate conservatives, regardless of anything else, than the hatred itself. You are Marxists, whether you know it or not. I would argue that you don’t realize it, hence the term ‘useful idiots‘. Or to put it better, you see America as the problem, not its enemies.
You may also want to read this book by Mona Charen, that is if you know how to. It provides an excellent perspective on how America has been brainwashed by Marxism. Yes, there are those of us who are immune to it [Marxism].
The things that I find most disturbing, are that a). I am considered an extremist [by you] for speaking against liberalism [Marxism/communism], and b) That Marxism/communism is accepted by anyone, let alone an American citizen.
McCarthy was absolutely correct. It is unfortunate that his approach was questionable. However his assertions were absolutely right on target at least, if not modest.
May 4th | #
I forgot to mention this excellent thesis by Deroy Murdock, at Stanford University.
The research proves beyond a doubt, as to the threat that Saddam’s Iraq was to the world.
May 5th | #
brent: I advise you to read my article again. I said nothing of Bush, and practically nothing of 9/11. You are the one interpreting and putting words in my mouth. In fact, the first mention of “Bush” on this page was your comment :)
May 15th | #
Great article Kyle. I have a few american friends, but reading someone who is able to be critic is always nice. I’m sure you liked “V for Vendetta”. And I’d bet you did read the comic before watching the movie.
I did read your article about why you are blogging. Really inspiring, it made me remember why did I blog time ago. Keep up the good work.
@brent: I’m 28, so I’ve been using my right to vote for a long time in a country with a lot of parties. I’m spanish, we have the greatest history of colonization (we “invented” it, actually). And we have quite a lot of experience on terrorism too, before and after 9/11 (remember 3/11/2004). I am not an anarchist nor a communist and I don’t understand how a democrat (and I am referring to democracy) can use a political ideology as an insult, so don’t even try. You have expressed yourself and made your point. Let other people express themselves. That’s what freedom is about. Your attitude destroys that picture you talk about of the USA as the reference of freedom.
July 26th | #
Hrmm, I don’t know how old this is, since some talk seems shortly post 9/11 and some talks of V for Vendetta, pretty recent.
Anyway, I just thought I’d point out that we were doing those things against Japan because we felt we had to do SOMETHING, even if we couldn’t afford war. Japan was part of the axis, being totally neutral would be insanity. But it hardly justifies a surprise attack.
I’m always surprised when people choose to bend over backwards to justify something, especially by suggesting an elaborate plot to turn public opinion by allowing mass destruction. Sure, it could happen, but why do people take absolutely miniscule evidence and assume the worst. I doubt you would want to be treated that way.
November 8th | #
Response to Brent ..
Hmm don’t know where to begin .. come on Brent be a little self-critical mate .. you have made your arguments in a violent, personal and in a disrespectable way .. no need to argue that way mate .. perhaps this is indicative of your mental intellect?
By the way, has war ever solved anything? Recently, not judging by Iraq .. definitely not .. and do get your facts correct, Sadam was put their by the US government; the bugger was a US puppet .. US government supported him when they needed him for US interests (in 70’s and the 80’s) then ditched the sod when they had enough of him and when he invaded Kuwait .. remember, mr intellectual mate, Kuwait was part of Iraq before the Brits separated the country .. so was it a real invasion and a real big deal for Kuwait’s freedom or for oil? but that’s another story .. just imagine Hawaii or New York belonging to USA and then one day USA gets invaded by a powerful country and the occupiers decide to separate these two states from whole of America and created two new countries as happened with Kuwait, uae etc ..what would happen then? (I know it won’t happen because America is too powerful, but for theoretical point of view, lets use this analogy to keep it simple for you to understand, just in case).
when arguing, please, please keep personal remarks out as this is really childish and shows your insecurity towards the so-called facts .. As with Koreas and Vietnam .. did America really fought a war to free the people? Hmmm China is communist how come no war happened there? and why would America end the war in Nam if it was fighting for the moral right of the people? If this were the case, then the war would have not ended at all until such moral right was fulfilled .. Very fishy mate .. there is more meat to the story than meets the eye .. hope you’re not confused ..
Have fun and remember: truth always comes out .. may take time, but shows its way eventually .. just watch and see about Bush’s stuff come out ..
Have fun mate .. (yeah I’ British-American in case you didn’t know)
Nice one Kyle .. keep it dude
Wade
December 7th | #
Well yeah, dipshit. Of course we were “attacking” Japan with sanctions etc. It was an attempt at a non-military solution to Japanese aggression. Isn’t that what you leftards prefer to open war?
Criminy.
December 14th | #
Yeah, great idea. Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, Bush invaded because his dad was critised for not finishing the war in Desert Storm. It had nothing to do with thousands of dead bankers or brave New York firemen or with Al Quaeda.
Now Irans nuclear programme has accelerated because they are scared of the west, civil war and thousand upon thousands of people better than “brent” and “retread” dead. The whole Middle East destabilised, fundamentalist christian wankers and fundamentalist muslim cunts being converted all over the world BEGGING for armageddon because their imaginary fuckhead prophets say it is a good idea, Murdered innocent Spaniards and Londoners who probably marched to protest about the OBVIOUSLY stupid war in the first place.
All because of hateful, moronic, religious, right-wing americans with the presence of mind of a dogs cock supported their war because the american army is too retarded and shit to capture a lone Saudi Arabian hiding in a cave in Afganistan and therefore had to find a scapegoat elsewhere regardless of the consequences.
In the wake of all that american hate, epic stupidy and racist evil, the tragedy of the innocent lives lost on 9/11 seems utterly, utterly, utterly insignificant to the rest of the world now, and always will do.
September 13th | #
Hrmm, I don’t know how old this is, since some talk seems shortly post 9/11 and some talks of V for Vendetta, pretty recent.
Anyway, I just thought I’d point out that we were doing those things against Japan because we felt we had to do SOMETHING, even if we couldn’t afford war. Japan was part of the axis, being totally neutral would be insanity. But it hardly justifies a surprise attack.
I’m always surprised when people choose to bend over backwards to justify something, especially by suggesting an elaborate plot to turn public opinion by allowing mass destruction. Sure, it could happen, but why do people take absolutely miniscule evidence and assume the worst. I doubt you would want to be treated that way.
October 9th | #
I think mass destruction is a big error, but at the time seem Countries don’t think another question that money. People have to learn live in peace without considering the races and political ideologies
November 13th | #
I think Kyles point was to point out Japan didn’t attack the U.S. just because they felt like it.
December 7th | #
This is for “Brent” the guy that thinks dying for the flag makes it all good. He is unfortunately the vocal spokesperson for a majority of Americans. All it takes is one family member to die in war to make believers out of the whole family. This is the way fascist governments like our own can keep a hold on us and prevent change. I really would love to swear at Brent and use his form of argument but it will not change his mind. He has been duped by the media and fact that his family has been murdered in war. Get a life Brent and do some research! By the way, I am a Communist! Damn proud of it too!
January 8th | #
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May 30th | #
I am only able to find one glaring connection between Pearl Harbor and 911. That connection is actually a person and the company he founded. The founder of CDI Controlled Demolition Inc was stationed in PH just before the attacks in 1941. CDI Controlled Demolition Inc over the next 60 years became the US military’s and governments most clandestine building and bridge demolition and detonation company. What they were doing at the Murrah Building in 1995 before the explosion has never been answered. And what they were doing inside the World Trade Centers on Sat. Sept 8th and Sun Sept 9th 2001 has also never been answered. Keep in mind that it was CDI who was paid Billions to remove and destroy all buildingsmaterial from OKCity in 95′ as well as the WTC’s in 2001. No man made explosive testing was ever allowed and was actually deemed illegal to do by the Bush administration. CDI’s name also seems to pop up with regards to the levee detonation 2 days after Katrina left New Orleans. The precise detonation of the levees is so well thought in terms of massive destruction that it could never have been done by a rouge bardge like the Bush administration claims. (It became illegal to test the material underneath the ships at Pearl Harbor for man made explosives and thus no test has ever been conducted)
Ask this: If you think that 911 was an inside job or a controlled demolition…..why is it that not one group or truth organization has then ever asked….then who could have done the detonation? Not one single “truth group”, scientist, or researcher such as Jones, Griffin or anyone has ever asked that question. Why?