Comments on: A little rant on Safari http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/a-little-rant-on-safari/ my god, it's full of stars Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:05:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Alek http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/a-little-rant-on-safari/#comment-24874 Alek Tue, 01 May 2007 15:42:41 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/a-little-rant-on-safari/#comment-24874 <p>client side XSLT.... I have had to completely recode months of work just to cater to a single new Safari user. Parsing XML to js objects then using DOM manipulation to render a page is so freaking great >:|</p> <p>http://developer.apple.com/internet/safari/faq.html#anchor21</p> <p>Why does that read to me as Apple saying "we don't support it, so you don't need it"?</p> <p>p.s. found this article while trying to get .hash to work.... sigh</p> client side XSLT…. I have had to completely recode months of work just to cater to a single new Safari user. Parsing XML to js objects then using DOM manipulation to render a page is so freaking great >:|

http://developer.apple.com/internet/safari/faq.html#anchor21

Why does that read to me as Apple saying “we don’t support it, so you don’t need it”?

p.s. found this article while trying to get .hash to work…. sigh

]]> By: ignorantcow http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/a-little-rant-on-safari/#comment-22719 ignorantcow Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:04:45 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/a-little-rant-on-safari/#comment-22719 <p>position: relative; does not trigger hasLayout.</p> <p>http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html#prop</p> <p>It does however, fix some z-index issues (elements disappearing, etc).</p> position: relative; does not trigger hasLayout.

http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html#prop

It does however, fix some z-index issues (elements disappearing, etc).

]]> By: MAC News » Apple - Getting to Know WebKit http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/a-little-rant-on-safari/#comment-22518 MAC News » Apple - Getting to Know WebKit Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:45:50 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/a-little-rant-on-safari/#comment-22518 <p>[...] Firefox install takes much longer to render CSS and load images than WebKit. Although, some developers don’t like the way WebKit handles [...]</p> [...] Firefox install takes much longer to render CSS and load images than WebKit. Although, some developers don’t like the way WebKit handles [...]

]]> By: MAC News » Mac - Getting to Know WebKit http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/a-little-rant-on-safari/#comment-22501 MAC News » Mac - Getting to Know WebKit Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:52:14 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/a-little-rant-on-safari/#comment-22501 <p>[...] Firefox install takes much longer to render CSS and load images than WebKit. Although, some developers don’t like the way WebKit handles [...]</p> [...] Firefox install takes much longer to render CSS and load images than WebKit. Although, some developers don’t like the way WebKit handles [...]

]]> By: Kyle Korleski http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/a-little-rant-on-safari/#comment-20405 Kyle Korleski Mon, 19 Mar 2007 05:48:31 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/a-little-rant-on-safari/#comment-20405 <p>It's not like Gecko is without it's demons. Some pages load excrusiatingly slow, some crash Firefox completely and sometimes, Flash disables use of the keyboard.</p> It’s not like Gecko is without it’s demons. Some pages load excrusiatingly slow, some crash Firefox completely and sometimes, Flash disables use of the keyboard.

]]> By: Santosh Rajan http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/a-little-rant-on-safari/#comment-20021 Santosh Rajan Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:12:14 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/a-little-rant-on-safari/#comment-20021 <p>Have a look at my cross browser key event solution. http://santrajan.blogspot.com/2007/03/cross-browser-keyboard-handler.html</p> Have a look at my cross browser key event solution.
http://santrajan.blogspot.com/2007/03/cross-browser-keyboard-handler.html

]]> By: Margaret Shear http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/a-little-rant-on-safari/#comment-19061 Margaret Shear Sun, 04 Mar 2007 22:33:50 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/a-little-rant-on-safari/#comment-19061 <p>Not that I agree with this logic, but I've always interpreted Safari's lack of styling for forms to be based around Apple's consideration of the form field to be a part of the browsing environment (and thus the OS). Although of course an appropriately styled form allows information to flow within context, leading innately to a smoother user experience.</p> <p>...which leads me to an observation I had recently while doing some post-launch bug fixes on a highly trafficked, AJAX-intensive website with a 11% (!) Safari user-base...</p> <p>The feedback we received from Safari users was over the top defensive. Despite the fact that they have an alternative (superior) browser easier at their fingertips, Safari users seem to devoutly cling on their browser without fail, defending it at every opportunity and demanding equal service (despite the fact that the browser itself doesn't provide that at core). A reaction which I attribute to the lauded brand solidarity that Apple has so elegantly enforced across product lines. Little things like OS-styled form elements make users believe, albeit mistakenly, that the brand governs all...</p> Not that I agree with this logic, but I’ve always interpreted Safari’s lack of styling for forms to be based around Apple’s consideration of the form field to be a part of the browsing environment (and thus the OS). Although of course an appropriately styled form allows information to flow within context, leading innately to a smoother user experience.

…which leads me to an observation I had recently while doing some post-launch bug fixes on a highly trafficked, AJAX-intensive website with a 11% (!) Safari user-base…

The feedback we received from Safari users was over the top defensive. Despite the fact that they have an alternative (superior) browser easier at their fingertips, Safari users seem to devoutly cling on their browser without fail, defending it at every opportunity and demanding equal service (despite the fact that the browser itself doesn’t provide that at core). A reaction which I attribute to the lauded brand solidarity that Apple has so elegantly enforced across product lines. Little things like OS-styled form elements make users believe, albeit mistakenly, that the brand governs all…

]]> By: James John Malcolm (AkaXakA) http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/a-little-rant-on-safari/#comment-17159 James John Malcolm (AkaXakA) Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:53:05 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/a-little-rant-on-safari/#comment-17159 <p>Ah, right, as pos:rel as a metaphor for a fix-everything solution :)</p> Ah, right, as pos:rel as a metaphor for a fix-everything solution :)

]]> By: James http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/a-little-rant-on-safari/#comment-15930 James Sun, 04 Feb 2007 11:47:38 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/a-little-rant-on-safari/#comment-15930 <p>"Oh, snap. Good call out on everyone being a fanboy for Safari because of the nicely rendered type."</p> <p>As the web is made of text I would say that is more important than a bunch of gimmicky fringe technology.</p> <p>But I probably would say that, I'm a typography obsessed designer so looking at the Clearshite and messily kerned pixel type on your average windows desktop makes me want to vomit so Safari is a godsend.</p> “Oh, snap. Good call out on everyone being a fanboy for Safari because of the nicely rendered type.”

As the web is made of text I would say that is more important than a bunch of gimmicky fringe technology.

But I probably would say that, I’m a typography obsessed designer so looking at the Clearshite and messily kerned pixel type on your average windows desktop makes me want to vomit so Safari is a godsend.

]]> By: Pete http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/a-little-rant-on-safari/#comment-14502 Pete Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:03:36 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/a-little-rant-on-safari/#comment-14502 <p>Totally on the money Kyle. They do think different down in Cupertino, they manage to create event bugs that are reproducible only 70% of the time. Real fun trying to sort that shit out with a console that logs when it feels like it. I used to think that IE was the prime cause of OMFGWTFBBQ in my life. </p> <p>Hey Apple, Safari is always the last browser to be supported in complex ajax apps (no web gtalk <em>still</em> in Safari) because it is so hard to get right, not because of a conspiracy theory.</p> <p>p.s. and it leaks like a sieve to boot</p> Totally on the money Kyle. They do think different down in Cupertino, they manage to create event bugs that are reproducible only 70% of the time. Real fun trying to sort that shit out with a console that logs when it feels like it. I used to think that IE was the prime cause of OMFGWTFBBQ in my life.

Hey Apple, Safari is always the last browser to be supported in complex ajax apps (no web gtalk still in Safari) because it is so hard to get right, not because of a conspiracy theory.

p.s. and it leaks like a sieve to boot

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