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	<title>Comments on: Apple needs force Microsoft to recall Outlook 2007</title>
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	<description>my god, it's full of stars</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 06:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Don Stunning</title>
		<link>http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/apple-needs-force-microsoft-to-recall-outlook-2007/#comment-105403</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Stunning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Evidently there are many self proclaimed experts on here who have only discerned stationary to be little teddy bears and flowers and crap all over the page. Common business sense tells business people that stationary is the equivalent of corporate letterhead. This function should be easy to accomplish using html and not using word's horrible bloated code rendering and editing. Microsoft has only made things worse and less universal with this extremely disappointing and cheesy new implementation direction.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evidently there are many self proclaimed experts on here who have only discerned stationary to be little teddy bears and flowers and crap all over the page. Common business sense tells business people that stationary is the equivalent of corporate letterhead. This function should be easy to accomplish using html and not using word&#8217;s horrible bloated code rendering and editing. Microsoft has only made things worse and less universal with this extremely disappointing and cheesy new implementation direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/apple-needs-force-microsoft-to-recall-outlook-2007/#comment-52500</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I'm going to guess it's some sort of problem with Outlook's interior security.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Miscrosoft in the past has had several serious security problems with its image decoders (you could craft a corrupted PNG or JPEG in such a way that it would overwrite executable code in memory when it tried to decode it... code to do things like, say, enable the Telnet server or clear your Administrator password). I don't have the info at my fingertips, but there may have been such a latent bug in the CSS engine in Outlook which was not present in the IE CSS engine (two separate engines, two separate sets of exploits). Rather than fix it in Outlook, they may have just said "screw it, use IE's engine even though it's missing a few things".&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The above is pure speculation, but it's the kind of thing that can lead to decisions like this.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by Windows' poor security model.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to guess it&#8217;s some sort of problem with Outlook&#8217;s interior security.</p>
<p>Miscrosoft in the past has had several serious security problems with its image decoders (you could craft a corrupted PNG or JPEG in such a way that it would overwrite executable code in memory when it tried to decode it&#8230; code to do things like, say, enable the Telnet server or clear your Administrator password). I don&#8217;t have the info at my fingertips, but there may have been such a latent bug in the CSS engine in Outlook which was not present in the IE CSS engine (two separate engines, two separate sets of exploits). Rather than fix it in Outlook, they may have just said &#8220;screw it, use IE&#8217;s engine even though it&#8217;s missing a few things&#8221;.</p>
<p>The above is pure speculation, but it&#8217;s the kind of thing that can lead to decisions like this.</p>
<p>Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by Windows&#8217; poor security model.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris D</title>
		<link>http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/apple-needs-force-microsoft-to-recall-outlook-2007/#comment-37840</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am also one of the few people here who strongly approve of Microsoft's decision to do this. I don't want my email reader to treat emails as web pages, I don't want Outlook doing 'useful' things like running VBScript, and in any case I don't much care about these sorts of newsletters as they go straight into the Junk Email folder where they belong.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for people who send mail with stationary... think about it, Outlook 2007 is a business application. It's not for your grandma who likes sending some prettily formatted message through email, with digital flowers and music playing and so on. For the vast Outlook userbase therefore, there will be no noticable effect. And I feel safe reading my mail as a consequence, knowing I won't get bitten by some in-HTML script that Microsoft hadn't thought of yet.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also one of the few people here who strongly approve of Microsoft&#8217;s decision to do this. I don&#8217;t want my email reader to treat emails as web pages, I don&#8217;t want Outlook doing &#8216;useful&#8217; things like running VBScript, and in any case I don&#8217;t much care about these sorts of newsletters as they go straight into the Junk Email folder where they belong.</p>
<p>As for people who send mail with stationary&#8230; think about it, Outlook 2007 is a business application. It&#8217;s not for your grandma who likes sending some prettily formatted message through email, with digital flowers and music playing and so on. For the vast Outlook userbase therefore, there will be no noticable effect. And I feel safe reading my mail as a consequence, knowing I won&#8217;t get bitten by some in-HTML script that Microsoft hadn&#8217;t thought of yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Aylott</title>
		<link>http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/apple-needs-force-microsoft-to-recall-outlook-2007/#comment-24886</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Aylott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 18:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is an area where Microsoft totally defines reality. If you know that your recipients are on a mac or gmail or something, go nuts with the background images.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But you really shouldn't have to know or care what email reader anyone is using.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If the templates don't work in at least 60% of the email readers, there's no point in having them in the first place.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I'm still hoping that Outlook 2007 will get an update to support background-image.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an area where Microsoft totally defines reality. If you know that your recipients are on a mac or gmail or something, go nuts with the background images.</p>
<p>But you really shouldn&#8217;t have to know or care what email reader anyone is using.</p>
<p>If the templates don&#8217;t work in at least 60% of the email readers, there&#8217;s no point in having them in the first place.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still hoping that Outlook 2007 will get an update to support background-image.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Twisted: This isn't a matter of CSS. You can't render background images &lt;em&gt;period&lt;/em&gt;. Not through tables, not through hard-coding, nothing.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twisted: This isn&#8217;t a matter of CSS. You can&#8217;t render background images <em>period</em>. Not through tables, not through hard-coding, nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Twisted Intellect</title>
		<link>http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/apple-needs-force-microsoft-to-recall-outlook-2007/#comment-24342</link>
		<dc:creator>Twisted Intellect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, the thing is: What if Apple isn't using CSS to render the whole stationery. What if, in fact, the only thing rendered by CSS &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; the background image, and the rest is purely tables and raw images?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Then, the Microsoft-users would still get the stationary, though not the texture below the text, Web standards would loose out, and we would all die a little inside.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hoping that's not the case, but looking at what the different kinds of email-clients support, that seems to be the logical route for Apple to take.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I know we all want Apple to take option #3, and take on all the rest of the world in a huge battle for Web Standards (with capitals) and win out â€” but...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the thing is: What if Apple isn&#8217;t using CSS to render the whole stationery. What if, in fact, the only thing rendered by CSS <em>is</em> the background image, and the rest is purely tables and raw images?</p>
<p>Then, the Microsoft-users would still get the stationary, though not the texture below the text, Web standards would loose out, and we would all die a little inside.</p>
<p>Hoping that&#8217;s not the case, but looking at what the different kinds of email-clients support, that seems to be the logical route for Apple to take.</p>
<p>I know we all want Apple to take option #3, and take on all the rest of the world in a huge battle for Web Standards (with capitals) and win out â€” but&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Microsoft have had stationery type emails for years. This is why I was kind of dissapointed that Apple were doing something similar and then sticking it on their front page leopard preview.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft have had stationery type emails for years. This is why I was kind of dissapointed that Apple were doing something similar and then sticking it on their front page leopard preview.</p>
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		<title>By: Henrik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henrik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think Apple will include stationery as it is shown in the beta releases. But my guess is that they will also have a talk with Microsoft in order to implement the different background options - it's for the benefit of everybody!  Hopefully there will be an update for outlook 2007  - et voila - stationery emails will be rendered perfectly :-) ... and outlook emails suddenly will have a similar template system called "notepaper" ;-)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Apple will include stationery as it is shown in the beta releases. But my guess is that they will also have a talk with Microsoft in order to implement the different background options - it&#8217;s for the benefit of everybody!  Hopefully there will be an update for outlook 2007  - et voila - stationery emails will be rendered perfectly :-) &#8230; and outlook emails suddenly will have a similar template system called &#8220;notepaper&#8221; ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Wieder mal typisch Windooooooooof - Apfeltalk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wieder mal typisch Windooooooooof - Apfeltalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] beiliegt, wird die elektronischen Grüße nicht vollständig darstellen können. Darauf macht das Blog Warpspire aufmerksam: Apples Vorlagen setzten auf CSS-Stylesheets, von denen Outlook 2007 nur einen Teil [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<dc:creator>schmidt9 speaks: &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Spalter, Spalter&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] die Anzeige und Positionierung von Hintergrundbildern einfach so Ã¼ber den Jordan, wie der Blog worpspire [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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