Comments on: I just don’t get this whole Microformats thing http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/i-just-dont-get-this-whole-microformats-thing/ my god, it's full of stars Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:46:07 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: sourcebottle.net » Blog Archive » Designed for Humans First? http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/i-just-dont-get-this-whole-microformats-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-87389 sourcebottle.net » Blog Archive » Designed for Humans First? Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:36:27 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/i-just-dont-get-this-whole-microformats-thing/#comment-87389 <p>[...] post was actually inspired by Kyle Neath’s article “I just don’t get this whole Microformats thing”, where the author is expressing his own frustration about the Microformats movement being [...]</p> [...] post was actually inspired by Kyle Neath’s article “I just don’t get this whole Microformats thing”, where the author is expressing his own frustration about the Microformats movement being [...]

]]> By: microformatique - a blog about microformats and “data at the edges” : Frustrations http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/i-just-dont-get-this-whole-microformats-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-22369 microformatique - a blog about microformats and “data at the edges” : Frustrations Sun, 08 Apr 2007 19:39:10 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/i-just-dont-get-this-whole-microformats-thing/#comment-22369 <p>[...] Kyle Neath wrote “I just don’t get this whole Microformats thing”. [...]</p> [...] Kyle Neath wrote “I just don’t get this whole Microformats thing”. [...]

]]> By: Microformats in Wordpress Cutline | Am I Famous Now… http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/i-just-dont-get-this-whole-microformats-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-14505 Microformats in Wordpress Cutline | Am I Famous Now… Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:49:01 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/i-just-dont-get-this-whole-microformats-thing/#comment-14505 <p>[...] that this post is becoming like the Microformats documentation, documented in Kyle Neath’s entry at Warpspire, so lets just get on with the [...]</p> [...] that this post is becoming like the Microformats documentation, documented in Kyle Neath’s entry at Warpspire, so lets just get on with the [...]

]]> By: jamie knight http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/i-just-dont-get-this-whole-microformats-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-11482 jamie knight Mon, 25 Dec 2006 00:32:49 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/i-just-dont-get-this-whole-microformats-thing/#comment-11482 <p>hiya,</p> <p>I think that the bar is very high for such a simple. It would be good if there could be a Lets Get Section, so i will propse that soon. maybe a dedicated website with Lets get going infomation on it would help.</p> <p>It took me three hours to find what i had to do to make hCalender work with Outlook, all the time it was right infront of me, but without needing to test evry calender i can across i could not find any that worked with Oulook!</p> <p>I think a simple guides website would be a good idea, prehaps when i know more about them i might make one!</p> <p>Jammie & lion</p> hiya,

I think that the bar is very high for such a simple. It would be good if there could be a Lets Get Section, so i will propse that soon. maybe a dedicated website with Lets get going infomation on it would help.

It took me three hours to find what i had to do to make hCalender work with Outlook, all the time it was right infront of me, but without needing to test evry calender i can across i could not find any that worked with Oulook!

I think a simple guides website would be a good idea, prehaps when i know more about them i might make one!

Jammie & lion

]]> By: Karova Blog » Blog Archive » http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/i-just-dont-get-this-whole-microformats-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-10995 Karova Blog » Blog Archive » Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:14:12 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/i-just-dont-get-this-whole-microformats-thing/#comment-10995 <p>[...] Nearly two years on, and how has the Microformat agenda been improved? In short - it hasn’t. That same ‘explanation’ is sat there on the homepage. The Wiki still manages to wrap a very simple concept in so much technical jargon as to make it almost impenetrable for anyone not already familiar with Microformats to understand. I’m not the only one to be disappointed that this is still the state of affairs, and Warpspire’s recent Microformats article points out yet more problems. [...]</p> [...] Nearly two years on, and how has the Microformat agenda been improved? In short – it hasn’t. That same ‘explanation’ is sat there on the homepage. The Wiki still manages to wrap a very simple concept in so much technical jargon as to make it almost impenetrable for anyone not already familiar with Microformats to understand. I’m not the only one to be disappointed that this is still the state of affairs, and Warpspire’s recent Microformats article points out yet more problems. [...]

]]> By: Nick Peters http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/i-just-dont-get-this-whole-microformats-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-10755 Nick Peters Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:00:19 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/i-just-dont-get-this-whole-microformats-thing/#comment-10755 <p>I agree that currently Microformats don't have a whole lot of use, but that's because it's a new standard that is slowing being adopted. Already we have firefox extensions, such as tails, that are being developed. Although Tails by itself isn't practical, it show you the information that you can extract from microformatted data. A more practical example would be <a href="http://greasemonkey.makedatamakesense.com/google_hcalendar/" rel="nofollow">this</a> greasemonkey script. Essentially it will allow you to add an event (marked up with hEvent) to your google calendar with the click of a button. The functionality is there, but it's not being widely adopted yet. Once more people are aware of the possible practical uses for microformats, I believe we will start seeing more scripts/plugins to streamline our online tasks. Imagine the possibilities when it becomes an actual standard implemented in browsers.</p> I agree that currently Microformats don’t have a whole lot of use, but that’s because it’s a new standard that is slowing being adopted. Already we have firefox extensions, such as tails, that are being developed. Although Tails by itself isn’t practical, it show you the information that you can extract from microformatted data.
A more practical example would be this greasemonkey script. Essentially it will allow you to add an event (marked up with hEvent) to your google calendar with the click of a button.
The functionality is there, but it’s not being widely adopted yet. Once more people are aware of the possible practical uses for microformats, I believe we will start seeing more scripts/plugins to streamline our online tasks. Imagine the possibilities when it becomes an actual standard implemented in browsers.

]]> By: Augusto http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/i-just-dont-get-this-whole-microformats-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-10286 Augusto Fri, 08 Dec 2006 11:49:11 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/i-just-dont-get-this-whole-microformats-thing/#comment-10286 <p>The microformats thing is a great idea, however, I think we haven´t got any expressive real samples of microformats yet. Why should I use this if only developers would see how great my code-gorilla-skils are?</p> <p>Tails extension? Ok, I´ve tried it for a while.. the only thing I got was some vCards. WHERE ARE the websites using it? What about desktop or web-based programs?</p> The microformats thing is a great idea, however, I think we haven´t got any expressive real samples of microformats yet. Why should I use this if only developers would see how great my code-gorilla-skils are?

Tails extension? Ok, I´ve tried it for a while.. the only thing I got was some vCards. WHERE ARE the websites using it? What about desktop or web-based programs?

]]> By: Justin Thorp http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/i-just-dont-get-this-whole-microformats-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-10065 Justin Thorp Wed, 06 Dec 2006 14:08:59 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/i-just-dont-get-this-whole-microformats-thing/#comment-10065 <p>Cheers to you my friend. You have successfully articulated what I have been trying to articulate on the microformats list for the last while. Hopefully they are listening.</p> Cheers to you my friend. You have successfully articulated what I have been trying to articulate on the microformats list for the last while. Hopefully they are listening.

]]> By: Chris Korhonen http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/i-just-dont-get-this-whole-microformats-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-10058 Chris Korhonen Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:38:33 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/i-just-dont-get-this-whole-microformats-thing/#comment-10058 <p>I'm inclined to agree, the entry barrier to Microfomats is quite high just due to how it is put across. Now, there is nothing wrong with technical documentation, but I do think someone needs to take the time to do a dummies guide to help ease people in gently. </p> <p>Totally agree on your comments about the hCard creator and other tools for creation of Microformats - they are lacking in simplicity and hard to find. This should hopefully change very soon though, when WebCards is released (its a plug-in, for Firefox (but IE and Safari versions are already in the works) which does a lot of cool stuff around Microformat detection, consumption and creation, first version should be released within a week). </p> <p>As a side note, I'm also coding a pretty cool Flex app at the moment which does a bit of hand-holding when creating uF's, mainly a 'Learn AS3' exercise for me, but hoping to release something over the next few weeks.</p> <p>One of my biggest pet peeves with Microformats isn't the community (granted, they are cliquey, but they work hard and most great ideas usually start off with a central clique) but the whole "Made for people first, and machine second" thing. I see where they were trying to go with that, but its a load of rubbish! Microformats exist, in my mind, as a way to semantically define common data types such as people, events, reviews etc. in such a way that they can be consumed. Now most of the time a person is not going to be the one doing the consuming, its going to be a bit of software, so really, all that microformats are doing is making data easy to parse - thats how we are using them within WebCards and its how most other applications interact with microformats.</p> I’m inclined to agree, the entry barrier to Microfomats is quite high just due to how it is put across. Now, there is nothing wrong with technical documentation, but I do think someone needs to take the time to do a dummies guide to help ease people in gently.

Totally agree on your comments about the hCard creator and other tools for creation of Microformats – they are lacking in simplicity and hard to find. This should hopefully change very soon though, when WebCards is released (its a plug-in, for Firefox (but IE and Safari versions are already in the works) which does a lot of cool stuff around Microformat detection, consumption and creation, first version should be released within a week).

As a side note, I’m also coding a pretty cool Flex app at the moment which does a bit of hand-holding when creating uF’s, mainly a ‘Learn AS3′ exercise for me, but hoping to release something over the next few weeks.

One of my biggest pet peeves with Microformats isn’t the community (granted, they are cliquey, but they work hard and most great ideas usually start off with a central clique) but the whole “Made for people first, and machine second” thing. I see where they were trying to go with that, but its a load of rubbish! Microformats exist, in my mind, as a way to semantically define common data types such as people, events, reviews etc. in such a way that they can be consumed. Now most of the time a person is not going to be the one doing the consuming, its going to be a bit of software, so really, all that microformats are doing is making data easy to parse – thats how we are using them within WebCards and its how most other applications interact with microformats.

]]> By: Natasha Robinson http://warpspire.com/tipsresources/web-production/i-just-dont-get-this-whole-microformats-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-9880 Natasha Robinson Mon, 04 Dec 2006 18:18:34 +0000 http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/i-just-dont-get-this-whole-microformats-thing/#comment-9880 <p>Kyle </p> <p>Natasha here from the (WA SJO). </p> <p>I had been introduced to the term earlier this year via a Social Media Club (http://www.socialmediaclub.org/) podcast on the future of the Online Press Release and how MicroFormats will enable better Press releases. I didn't get it. And I especially didn't get it when I went to the Microformats page you referenced. </p> <p>But after reading, http://www.whymicroformats.com/articles/2006/10/04/introduction-to-microformats. , it finally made sense to me. I wish you had been in that office the day I had an "Oh, I get it moment!" about MicroFormats. Everyone looked at me because I said "oh!" out loud. </p> <p>And Matt, re: "What chance do we have of Microformats filtering down into general acceptance and usefulness?" A great example of Microformats in use today are Technorati tags.</p> Kyle

Natasha here from the (WA SJO).

I had been introduced to the term earlier this year via a Social Media Club (http://www.socialmediaclub.org/) podcast on the future of the Online Press Release and how MicroFormats will enable better Press releases. I didn’t get it. And I especially didn’t get it when I went to the Microformats page you referenced.

But after reading, http://www.whymicroformats.com/articles/2006/10/04/introduction-to-microformats. , it finally made sense to me. I wish you had been in that office the day I had an “Oh, I get it moment!” about MicroFormats. Everyone looked at me because I said “oh!” out loud.

And Matt, re: “What chance do we have of Microformats filtering down into general acceptance and usefulness?” A great example of Microformats in use today are Technorati tags.

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